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THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE STAKEOUT

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It was only a matter of time.  The "gun media mafia" is now anti-stakeout.  The astounding thing is that they don't seem to be anti-Mossberg Shockwave, when our Stakeout 870 is used in the same way.  I suspect if Larry Vickers had come out with the concept, these same detractors of the Stakeout would be rubbing their man-parts all over it and then wiping it down with canola oil...but there I go on a tangent.

So the arguments...lets discuss them one by one shall we.

1).  They say that these weapons are difficult to shoot well. 

Truth:  We all recall the anti-red dot rhetoric where the same guys would claim that the red dot slowed them down, that they had to hunt for the dot, and the dot would disappear when they shot.  We showed that all of these issues are training issues and that any new technology has a learning curve.  The problem is that the lazy do not care for learning curves. 

Truth:  Many of the pundits come from the police world where two trends have been insinuating themselves like a virus into everything. 

One is the increased specialization.  Today a rowdy grandmother gets a SWAT response it seems, while back in the day when a weapon such as the Stakeout was in use, everyone handled their own work.  When a group of detectives were handed a case, they went and kicked their own doors.  So while this may have limited use in the agency where every bee has their specific and special job, this will be just as useful today as it was twenty years ago for those agencies with limited specialization, and for the private citizen whose tactical problems must by necessity be self-solved.

Two is the desire in police circles to make everyone the same.  Thus the 5'3" single mom in her 40s that graduated the academy is seen as the same as the 6' 2" 200 pound, weight trained, 25 year old former Marine. The silliness of this was also creeping into the US military from what I am told.  The ridiculousness of this stuns the comprehension.  The 6'2" 25 year old will grab the Stakeout and run it like a champ after instruction, but officer Soccer mom will still have issues with any 12 ga weapon.  That does not invalidate the weapon.  Not every viking is able to wield the battleaxe as well.

For those who missed it the first time -

2).  They say - You can't hit anything with the stakeout.

Truth: Yes you can, but you have to shoot it correctly.  Again, like the red dot on the pistol, you can't expect to pick one up and run it well without someone that knows showing you what to do.  And yes, actually you do use them just like a regular shotgun except that the stock, not being evident on this weapon, is not on your shoulder.  But you do bring it up to eye level, you do pick up the bead front sight, and you will be able to hit with sufficient accuracy at the distances this weapon is intended to be used. 

Truth:  The bead is fine for this application.  The guys that like rifle sighted shotguns and slugs are looking at the shotgun like it was a rifle.  I think I have written extensively on this matter as well as put up a number of videos discussing why that point of view is wrong.   They will say that "all shotguns need sights".  Well, yes, they do...but unless you are developing a general purpose shotgun, a bead sight will work fine when limited to close range gunfighting and buckshot...which is what the Stakeout was developed for in the first place.

Here is another video for those just joining us.  The shotgun is not a rifle. Good guys used shotguns to kill bad guys for years before the ghost ring idea was adopted by LE. 

3).  They ask - why not use a rifle instead.

Truth:  All weapons are special weapons.  Each has advantages and  - wait for it - no single weapon solves every single tactical problem.  To think otherwise indicates the problem has not been completely evaluated or thought through. The advantages of the shotgun are as follows. 

a).  Extreme damaging power at close ranges which diminishes with distance.  The shotgun is a close range weapon and in its range it cannot be beaten.  The pistol or rifle does not deliver the same effect at similar ranges. Usually you will hear someone say they shot at an Iraqi with a 12 ga at 100 yards and nothing happened (and don't you dare even suggest they are wrong about this).  Well, in my experience failures to stop with a 12 ga. are invariable caused by failures to hit, and those caused by invariably using the weapon outside its intended mission.

b).  Limited penetration through primary targets and through pre-post-target mediums.  Its detractors consider that a liability, while those who have used and understand the weapon know this is a great asset.

c).  Ability to keep up with the tempo of the fight.  The circumstances where a shotgun beats a rifle are when the tempo of events has exceeded the operator's ability to fire a shot using traditional marksmanship principles.  The spread of the pattern still allows for a hit, where a single projectile might easily miss.  The pundits will say that "every projectile has a lawyer attached to it" to support their anti-shotgun and pro-rifle position, but the reality is that 90% of shots fired by police and citizens miss, and every miss does not create an Ayoobian firestorm of malicious prosecution.  That is a myth actually.

The shotgun pattern allows one to hit where they might likely miss with a rifle or pistol.

Another video discussing this with some real world examples -

So, lets not forget that weapons like these were used for decades by the good guys very successfully.  The same situations and parameters in their gunfights are faced by us today. 

 

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